to stop the subsidy to pbs and stop other things. i like pbs and love big bird and actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> shannon: jijim lehrer did nt look happy about the possibility of funding cut. big bird has been out talking about this. pbs released this statement saying as a supporter of education governor romney should be a supporter of public education yet he he is willing to wipe out services that reach the vast majority of americans. we know big bird was one of the big twitter hash tags and top ecktopics that night. is this a distraction now, this that we are having to talk about the battle over funding pbs. >> absolutely. a false choice as well. look at the particular. governor romney made it clear. we have $16 trillion worth of debt. 5'" additional trillion since this president has been in office. we are borrowing that money largely from china. and so you look at programs and as governor romney outlined his threshold is are we -- is it such a